Mr Vassilenko started by emphasising the historic nature of the recent election as the former president was not on the ballot for the first time in the country’s history and the fact that there was 77.4% turnout of the electorate, a very high turnout. 

The new President, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev was elected on June 9^th 2019 and in his inauguration speech, he outlined several key areas of reform. The Deputy Foreign Minister referred to Mr Tokayev as a “principled reformer” who is already implementing changes that he promised in his electoral campaign.   He has already set up two new ministries of ecology, geology and natural resources and of trade and integration, as well as two new agencies, for civil service and for fighting corruption.  

Key improvements also planned to increase the number of women and young people within the government.  In the first week of his term, a new chairwoman of the Agency for Civil Service was appointment, as well as a female Minister of Culture and Sports. They join a female Deputy Prime Minister in the cabinet.  Currently 25% of the Kazakh Parliament are female with a further 65% of low to mid-level officials within the government service. This shows that gradual changes are being made but there is still a way to go.

Though there have been some protests during the election, Mr Vassilenko pointed out that there were no serious injuries among the few thousand protesters, while 300 police officers sustained injuries of one degree or another. At press time, six officers remained in hospital.

In order to counteract future protests the new President plans to set up measures throughout the government so that the people can state what their grievances are.

Internationally, the new Kazakhstan government wants there to be more general cooperation in the area of nuclear disarmament. The country is a current partner of NATO in the on-going Partnership for Peace programme and there is also an individual partnership action plan (IPAP) being implemented between NATO and Kazakhstan.  

To help further discussions of the most pressing problems in Eurasia, the fourth annual meeting of the speakers of parliaments of Europe and Asia is set to take place in Kazakhstan, where almost 50 speakers from Europe and further 30 or so from Asia are invited to take part. According to Mr Vassilenko, currently more than 50 countries have confirmed their participation, including 44 at the level of speakers.

Mr Vassilenko stressed that Kazakhstan wants to share its experience of resolving conflicts.  He referred to the example of offering his country’s assistance, if any is necessary, to the President of South Korea on his challenge with North Korea when he was visiting Kazakhstan.  

The country also wants to actively support Afghanistan and help in its economic development and stability.   

Finally Mr Vassilenko said his country was keen to follow Norway’s example in using renewable energy sources and looking after its environment in a better way.  

He also underlined that Kazakhstan was looking to the Scandinavian country as an example of improving its environment, referring to their clean lakes, forests and seashores. 

Kazakhstan is aiming to obtain 30% of its energy from renewable sources by 2030 and 50% by 2050. 

Question:  Thank you again. It’s a pleasure to meet you here in Oslo during this post election period. Can you elaborate more on how you feel the election went as far as the current political circumstances in the country? Please provide some examples and your thoughts on the new president.

Deputy FM Vassilenko: Yes, well, the June 9^th presidential election in Kazakhstan was truly historic because it was the first time that our first and founding President, Nursultan Nazarbayev, was not on the ballot. It was also historic because seven candidates ran in the election and for the first time in Kazakhstan’s history, a woman ran for president. The election was truly competitive and even the breakdown of the votes showed that people really had a choice in the platforms that were presented by various candidates. The voters in Kazakhstan have really gone to the polling stations in great numbers, 77.4% of the registered voters turned up to vote, and that’s a very high turnout. And I would highlight that this turnout is reflective of the genuine understanding of the people of Kazakhstan that the fate of their country is in their hands. 

Secondly, the vote for the incumbent president was also very high. But therea relatively high number of voters voted for other candidates, including for the candidate who has been in opposition to the government for more than 20 years, Mr Amirjan Qosanov. 

The president of the country Kassym-Jomart Tokayev in his inauguration speech outlined several important areas of reforms and in subsequent interviews to Western media he called himself a reformer. And that’s a very correct description of what the new president has set about doing. 

First, he reformed, just within one week after his inauguration, several ministries: he has created a ministry of ecology, geology and natural resources and a ministry of trade and integration. And he has created two new agencies: the Agency for Civil Service and the Agency for Fighting Corruption. He has appointed several new ministers, and they are younger than their predecessors and there are also more women among ministers now than in the past. 

The president has also replaced several governors in the country and in our Constitution it is the president who appoints the government, the governors and the mayors of 3 cities of Nur-Sultan (Astana), Almaty and Shymkent. 

The President is bringing young people into the government, bringing more women, as he promised he would. Even the first week of Mr Tokayev’s presidency shows he is true to his word in terms of his commitment to significant reforms in social and economic area. The president has instructed the government to come up with a plan of a strongly focused social assistance to those who are most in need, he also instructed the government to create conditions for sustainable and inclusive economic growth. He has instructed the government to work out new measures to fight corruption and he has called for the establishment of the National Council of Public Trust. He has already decreed to set up such a council by one of his first decisions as head of state. 

In fact, it was one of his first decrees on the same day of his inauguration to set up this council, which he promised to be set up as a platform for dialogue with the widest range of interests in the country, so that this institution can come up with additional ideas as to how further strengthen the dialogue between the government and the society, and develop reforms that may be needed to improve the democratic principles in the country. 

You mentioned indeed the protests and the president is fully aware of these protests, and of course, even before the protests, there was a very strict instruction to the police to not use any force in dispersing the illegal rallies. Indeed, the police in Kazakhstan, contrary to what you may be seeing on TV about what is happening in a good number of other countries, did not use a single rubber bullet or tear gas, or water cannons. They did not even use batons or handcuffs, so that’s why they only used their own strengths to react to the attacks that police have sustained in some cases and I think it is very emblematic that during the protests there have been zero cases reported of any injuries among the protesters. 

Except for the police who were injured. Six of the police officers are now in hospitals. But zero among the protesters. Because again, there was a very firm instruction that the police is not to use force, under any circumstances. It is important also to distinguish who were there among the protesters and I think the authorities are now dealing with this question. What is important also to highlight is that the president is a reformer, he understands the need for gradual, further political reforms, he has committed himself to those reforms, he is now beginning to move in this direction immediately since the first days of his administration. 

Question: Any foreign factors behind this protest or another motive behind these protestors?

Deputy FM Vassilenko :  Well, first of all, I would say that the protests were not enormous, they were not huge. They were significant but you know it’s not half of the country taking to the streets. It’s a few thousand here and there. For Kazakhstan, of course, we have not seen such protests in many years, it’s a significant event, but on a grand-scale, it’s not significant. Secondly, indeed there is a fugitive banker who is wanted by the criminal justice in Kazakhstan and in England who had been calling for protests via social media. 

I’m not sure how much of an influence these calls had had in organising the protests. They may have influenced some, especially, for example, unemployed youth, who decided to go out into the streets, even though they were warned that these protests are going to be illegal because under the current legislation you have to have a permit for holding a rally and no permit was even sought, so nobody was trying to get a permit to hold these rallies. Again, I think the authorities are very much aware, that even a small-scale protest like this is the reflection of the grievances on behalf of some of the people, so these grievances need to be addressed and there will be a set of measures by the government and by the president’s office to deal with those grievances either through providing more opportunities for economic development, or through providing a more targeted and effective social assistance to those who really require this assistance or by engaging in a dialogue with the society about the reforms in the political area that need to be taken. The president has underlined a very important principle of his presidency, that is – one nation, many opinions. 

Question: Can you elaborate about gender equality, how the new government is providing for gender equality in politics?

Deputy FM Vassilenko :  Well, the new chairwoman of the Agency for Civil Service with the rank of a minister is a woman, having served before as a member of parliament. The new Minister of Culture and Sport, appointed just a few days ago, is a woman. The Deputy Prime Minister, one of the three deputy prime ministers in the government, is a woman. There are 25 % of the members of the parliament who are female. Of course, it’s not 50%, but we are aware of that, we are moving towards this greater representation. If you look at the low and mid-level officials in the government service 65% there are women, I don’t know where this pyramid gets skewed, but in the top positions there are more men, of course, than women in Kazakhstan still. But in the lower rank positions 65% are women.

Question: How is this new government going to work on environmental side, including in Central Asia?

Deputy FM Vassilenko:  Well, we have a raft of issues which we had inherited from this former Soviet Union, one of this is the area around the Semipalatinsk side, one is the areas around in the Aral Sea in the south-west of the country, which was drying because of the use of water for cotton irrigation in the past, we, of course, are a country where more than 98% of our electricity needs is covered by the traditional sources of energy, even though we seek to have 30% of that coming from renewable energy sources by 2030 and 50% of our energy needs to be covered by renewables by 2050. 

So these are very ambitious plans, and that is why this Ministry of Ecology, Geology and Natural Resources has been recreated, we had it in the past, now it’s recreated. It will be, of course, working across a whole range of issues: promoting the sustainable use of all natural resources that we have, promoting renewable energy development. You know, we have also accumulated enormous amounts of garbage, of waste, and the government is taking now efforts, since a few years ago to take care of that and more and more waste processing plants are built across the country. And already we have introduced things like separate collection of garbage, and processing of recyclable garbage in big cities. This work needs to be continued because in the 27 years of independent development we realise that we need to be doing much more in the environmental protection. Norway, famous for its environment, clean lakes, forests and seashores is a prime example for us to follow and this is an area where we certainly have a lot to work on together. 

Question: Sustainable development: can you tell me about your government policies on that area?

Deputy FM Vassilenko:  I will be very brief, we are, of course, keen supporters of Sustainable Development Goals of the United Nations. We seek to reach some of them much earlier than we have pledged. Basically, it has been government policies, for many years now, to invest heavily in education to make sure that the education is receiving the larger share of our GDP. And now the plan is to raise its level to 10% of GDP, so it’s a huge amount but we are investing in this, we are investing in healthcare and we are investing in social security. We understand that we must afford that because of the need to ensure the quality of our population going forward. Our economy has grown now for 20 years uninterrupted since 1999. There may have been very dynamic years, there may have been some sluggish years. But we have not had a single year of recession since 1999. We need to make sure that this economic growth is reflected in the quality of life of our people and that’s exactly what the new president wants the government to do. 

Question: Foreign policy: in the future is there any new change in the foreign policy or will all be the same? 

Deputy FM Vassilenko: This is an area where there will be a complete continuity. Kazakhstan will continue to play its role as a constructive partner for the international community in resolving international problems, we will be, just as we have before, contributing to the resolution of conflicts in Syria, for example. President Tokayev was the foreign minister in the early 1990s, when Kazakhstan’s concept of multi vector foreign policy was developed, which calls for the equidistant, mutually beneficial cooperation with our neighbours such as Russia and China, our neighbours in Central Asia, but also with far away countries such as the European countries or the United States. That is not going to change, that is an area where there will be a complete continuity.

Question: Election results, do they mean people don’t want a communist ideology anymore?

Deputy FM Vassilenko: I think the results speak for themselves, and people chose the candidate who they think is best suited and whose pledges are quite relevant for the people. I would highlight also the fact that candidate Tokayev’s campaign launched a programme called “BIRGE”, which means “together” in Kazakh. That initiative was meant to collect proposals from the people on how we can improve our lives. A total of 540,000 proposals were submitted in writing and online in two months. It’s really huge. In his inauguration speech the president said that we will review and categorise every one of them and we will certainly hear what the people want and we will certainly work to implement as much as we can. Now it’s a very socially responsive government of the new president. 

Question: You went to the Norwegian parliament to brief about situations. What was discussed ?

Deputy FM Vassilenko: We did discuss with Anniken Huitfeldt, chairwoman of the Permanent Committee on Foreign Affairs and Defence in Norwegian Parliament, our bilateral cooperation. We discussed our cooperation in the nuclear disarmament area, we discussed the need for dialogue in Eurasia and in this sense I highlighted the event that Kazakhstan is putting together this year. This will be the foruth annual meeting of speakers of parliaments of Eurasia. The first one took place in 2016 in Russia, the second one took place in Seoul, the third one in Antalia, in Turkey. This will be the 4th one and we are proud to be able to host it. We invited 84 speakers in Eurasia and we now already have confirmations from almost 50 speakers from Europe, from CIS, from Asia. So, we discussed the importance of such a dialogue, and, of course, the Norwegian speaker is invited and we are waiting to hear about who from the Norwegian Parliament may attend. We certainly hope that Norway is properly and duly represented. 

It’s a unique opportunity for parliamentarians to speak directly to each other in one group. So this is what we have been discussing with Miss Huitfeldt, I also had a chance to briefly discuss our bilateral relations with Foreign Minister Ine Eriksen Søreide. We agreed that our bilateral relations need to receive a new boost. My visit here is just one step in that direction. The business seminar that we held in Oslo on the 18th of June is another step in this direction. We are now going to work together on the exchange of visits, we will continue to work on our initiatives to set up a business council. 

Our trade with Norway is only 60 million dollars a year, this is not huge, it’s not reflective of the true potential of our cooperation. So we also think that there is a great potential for our countries to know more about each other in terms of people to people contacts. Of course, Smirnov’s record here and his win at the Lillehammer Games in 1994 in the most awaited distance of 50 kilometres in cross country skiing is still very much remembered in Norway and in Kazakhstan, but of course there are many cultural and sport connections that can be promoted and this is exactly what our embassy here will be doing.

Question:  This is the first time Central Asia is taking part in Oslo Forum. Why has it become a hot topic for the forum?

Deputy FM Vassilenko: Well, I said exactly something along those lines to the organisers of the forum, I thanked them for the attention to Central Asia, but then compared the situation in our region to a set of global issues that they have been dealing with, such as Syria, and others, including quite a few locations in Africa. 

I think Central Asia is of course in a different league. But, of course, Central Asia is now living through a period of important transition in its regional relations and cooperation, and it is in this sense that greater international attention to Central Asia is relevant and is needed now. Because of course we have some issues that we will continue to be working together on in the region, including water and energy related issues or including fighting terrorism and extremism. 

The stronger the cooperation among the five Central Asian countries, the better for the international community. Also five countries in Central Asia are regional neighbours of Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a country that we view as a source of opportunities now, more than security challenges. We need to be promoting this nexus between development and security. And we need to continue to support economic development in Afghanistan, as we think it will be more conducive to eventual peace in that long suffering country.

Question: A high level European Union delegation met Kazakhstan’s former president and present president. Can you elaborate about it?

Deputy FM Vassilenko:  Yes, indeed we hosted the European Council President Donald Tusk on the 31st of May, and his visit came just a few weeks before the final adoption of the new EU Strategy for Central Asia which was adopted by the European Council of Foreign Affairs in Brussels on June 17.

It’s a very far reaching and far-sighted and strategic document, this new strategy for Central Asia, very visionary. The relations between the EU and Kazakhstan and other neighbours in Central Asia will go from strength to strength now based on this strategy. We contributed to its elaboration, and some of the proposals that we put forward found reflection in this strategy both in the substance and in the mechanisms for how it can be implemented. 

We naturally welcome the adoption of the EU strategy for Central Asia, we welcome the stronger engagement by the European Union in the regional affairs because the European Union and its partners in Europe who are not part of the European Union, such as Norway, are viewed as positive partners, who bring with them their technology, their vision, their standards in the economic sense and in the social sense. So naturally, all of the countries in Central Asia are interested in stronger ties with Europe.

Question: What kind of relationship Kazakhstan is having with NATO member states and V4?

Deputy FM Vassilenko :  Under the Hungarian presidency last year V4, Visegrád 4, they organised the first meeting of foreign ministers of V4 and C5 (Central Asian Five). And we supported that, our minister attended the meeting in Budapest, we will continue to support it whenever that moves further because we think there is a sense in such kind of cooperation among these loose cooperation initiatives, such as V4 and C5.  V4 and its model is quite relevant for the current state of cooperation in Central Asia and for the foreseeable future as well. It looks like a similar concept will be the most acceptable to countries in Central Asia. In terms of NATO, Kazakhstan is a partner for the Partnership for Peace programme, there is an individual partnership action plan – IPAP, being implemented between NATO and Kazakhstan. 

Kazakhstan regularly hosts and participates in exercises called “Steppe Eagle”. This has been going on since 1996-1997. Usually American troops, British troops and smaller contingents of other countries participate in such exercises. Last year our troops flew all the way to London for participating in the exercises there, on the British soil. So there is a great deal of cooperation under this IPAP in training the command and control personnel, in training our peacekeeping battalion in being able to work with NATO partners, compatibility efforts, so that is on a very strong footing.

Question: Kazakhstan is collaborating with UN peacekeeping operation and mediating peace activities. How is Kazakhstan promoting peace?

Deputy FM Vassilenko:  This is our principled position, and we have mostly acted in the past as a host for talks, including under the Astana Process on Syria. Primarily, I would highlight this as the most visible, the most highly prominent process that takes place in Kazakhstan. We are eager to share our experience to contribute to the resolution of other conflicts, especially when we are asked. For example, recently, the President of South Korea visited Kazakhstan and with him there was discussion between our leaders, about how Kazakhstan’s nuclear disarmament experience can be relevant for North Korea. But this is something for the Koreans themselves to decide whether or not they need Kazakhstan as a mediator or partner. We are ready to share our experience.

Question: Finally, how do you feel about your trip to Norway? 

Deputy FM Vassilenko: Norway is a very very interesting partner for us, in many senses of the word. Because, for example, we need to learn from the Norwegians in terms of the modesty of life, if you will. We have already learnt from the Norwegian experience in setting up our National Fund which is based on the same principles as the Pension Fund set up in Norway, but we need to perhaps exchange more experiences as to how to manage these resources in even more sustainable way than we are doing. Of course, Norway’s pension fund is more than one trillion dollars, ours is about 80 billion dollars, which is also a big amount. But there is always more that we can learn from each other.

The Prime Minister of Kosovo Ramush Haradinaj hosted a meeting with Foreign Minister of Norway, Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide.

The discussed current political developments in Kosovo and the region, increase of cooperation and joint Euro-Atlantic future.

Haradinaj informed Minister Søreide about the progress of Kosovo, priorities of the government on economic development, opening of new working places, advancing the agenda for European reforms and rule of law.

He also expressed gratitude for Norway’s continuous support in state building processes.

Haradinaj also stressed that Kosovo is committed to framed and contented dialogue with Serbia which leads to a final, legally bonding agreement, with the existing borders and mutual recognition.

Norway’s FM expressed readiness of her country to support Kosovo in European integration as well as in other processes.

In Monday’s discussion with Norwegian FM Ine Eriksen Soreide, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said affirmation of regional cooperation and stronger economic ties in the region were one of the key priorities for Serbia.

In Monday’s discussion with Norwegian FM Ine Eriksen Soreide, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said affirmation of regional cooperation and stronger economic ties in the region were one of the key priorities for Serbia and that the experiences of the Nordic Council as a unique example of strong regional cooperation could serve as an example for forging ties in the Western Balkans.

Vucic also expressed gratitude for Norway’s donations and development aid to Serbia and expressed interest in cooperation in new projects such as a programme for young entrepreneurs, which help economic growth and the building of entrepreneurial spirit, the presidential press office said in a statement.

Eriksen Soreide said Norwegian companies operating in Serbia were satisfied with the conditions for doing business, and expressed the expectation they would serve as an example to other investors.

Vucic and the Norwegian minister agreed bilateral ties were characterised by developed political dialogue and great possibilities for development of economic cooperation.

US President Donald Trump is ready to talk to Iran about a deal that would lift American sanctions but Tehran would need to curtain its nuclear and missile program, as well as its support for proxies, US Special Representative on Iran Brian Hook said on Monday.

Hook told reporters that Iran could “come to the table or watch its economy crumble,” but declined to give more details about fresh US sanctions expected later on Monday.

Hook was speaking to media by telephone from Oman, where he is touring Gulf countries — including Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Kuwait — before heading to Paris for talks with his E3 counterparts.

“This is a president who is very willing to sit down with the regime,” Hook said, speaking by telephone from Oman, where he is touring Gulf countries before heading to Paris to explain U.S. policy to European powers. “I think the question people should be asking is … why Iran continues to reject diplomacy.”

“They are in a recession now, it is going to get significantly worse,” he said ahead of an expected announcement later on Monday on further US sanctions.

Below is a full rush transcript of the press conference by Brian Hook, the U.S. Special Representative for Iran and Senior Policy Advisor to the Secretary of State.

Mr. Hook:  I’m speaking with you today from Muscat, Oman which is my fourth stop on a diplomatic tour of several countries in the region.  I have visited Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Kuwait. 

In Saudi Arabia I met with Prince Khalid bin Salman and National Security Advisor Dr. Musaid Al Aiban.  I traveled to the Prince Sultan Air Base and had the opportunity to tour a display, a warehouse which is, that warehouse had only a fraction of the Iranian weapons they had interdicted, but even that warehouse was a very impressive and troubling display of the degree to which the Iranians have armed the Houthis.

In the United Arab Emirates, I met with the Foreign Ministry as well as the Defense Minister.  Our conversations there focused on the need to deescalate tension for Iran to deescalate its threats.  And the need to improve maritime security.

In Kuwait I met with both the Foreign and Defense Ministers.  We had excellent conversations about the need for Iran to meet diplomacy with diplomacy and to settle its issues at the negotiating table.

Here in Oman today I had the pleasure of meeting with the Royal Office as well as Oman’s Minister responsible for Foreign Affairs, Yusuf bin Alawi.  We talked about the need to continue working very closely to promote stability in the region.  Oman is a very important partner on maritime security initiatives.  We will continue to work closely with the Omanis on these maritime issues and efforts towards stability in the region.

As you may know, the Secretary is now in the region.  He has met with King Salman.  He’ll be making stops in Saudi Arabia and UAE.

During all of my meetings in the four countries that I’ve visited, and I’ll be traveling to Bahrain after this stop and then on to Paris for a meeting with the E3 Political Directors.  During all of my meetings here in the Gulf I’ve shared all of our declassified intelligence and also a detailed assessment of the current threats that are posed by Iran.  These threats continue.

Iran was responsible for the May 12^th attacks in Fujairah and for the June 13 attacks on two tankers in the Gulf of Oman.  This is widely known.  This assessment is based on intelligence.  The weapons and the tactics used in the attacks and the fact that no proxy in the region has such sophisticated capabilities.

Today in New York our UN Ambassador Jonathan Cohen will be briefing members of the Security Council in a closed session today on all of our findings.  They’ll be discussing the role that the Security Council can play.

The charter of the UN Security Council is to address international peace and security, and Iran’s threats to freedom of navigation and to innocent civilians.  It’s important that the Council be responsive to the escalating tensions in this region.

I also discussed on my stops with nations how we can enhance cooperation and increase support.  This is what the United States and our allies do to safeguard shipping and freedom of navigation in and around the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran’s threats to international shipping impacts states around the world, from oil producers in the Gulf and to European consumers and especially Asian consumers.  More than 60 percent of the oil exported through the Strait of Hormuz goes directly to Asian markets, so this is a global challenge that requires a global response.

I talked with countries in the region about how we can enhance maritime security.  There are a number of ideas that I think a number of nations are considering.

I also made clear in bilateral talks, I conveyed our seriousness to negotiate a comprehensive deal with Iran when the time is right.  We have kept our maximum pressure campaign firmly within the limits of diplomatic and economic pressure.  Iran has repeatedly rejected diplomacy.  It has responded to diplomatic overtures by Japanese Prime Minister Abe with violence and terror.  It is time for Iran to meet diplomacy with diplomacy.

Any nation with an interest in promoting regional stability should make clear to Iran that its threats and its violence cannot be tolerated.  Countries should use their diplomacy to encourage Iran to use its diplomacy.  Iran has a clear diplomatic off-ramp.  For over a year we have put in place a new foreign policy, and at every step of the way we have made it clear that there are diplomatic off-ramps for the Islamic Republic of Iran.  And when it demonstrates a willingness to talk, we will be ready.  Iran knows how to reach us.  Until then, our campaign of diplomatic isolation and maximum economic pressure will intensify.  Sanctions will be announced later today.

Question: can you give us any information at all about those sanctions that are going to be announced later today?  What sectors they are targeting? And two, Regarding your Paris meeting with the E3, I know that Washington has for a while wanted the Europeans to take a different posture towards the JCPOA, which the Iranians are likely to break during the course of this week according to what they’ve said themselves.  Do you have any reason to expect a change of posture from the E3?

Mr. Hook:  On the first question, we don’t preview our sanctions.  That would, in part, defeat the purpose of sanctions because we don’t want to give targets time to hide their assets or to put in place measures to evade them.  So we don’t preview our sanctions but there will be sanctions that will be announced today.

With respect to the talks in Paris, I’m in regular communication with my counterparts in the E3 and also a number of European governments on a very regular basis.

Iran is using nuclear blackmail against the remaining parties to the deal. They have made threats and we will have to see which of those threats that they decide to follow through on if they follow through.  I know this will be an agenda item when I’m in Paris to talk about those who are in the deal, what they plan on doing.  It’s UN Security Council Resolution 2231 and the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action have dispute resolution mechanisms.  In our case, we left the deal because we thought that being outside of the deal put us in a better position to achieve the goal that we share with our European allies and nations around the world to deny Iran from ever getting close to obtaining a nuclear weapon.  So I very much look forward to seeing my counterparts in a few days.

Question:  What led to the change of plans regarding strikes on Iran?

Mr. Hook: Everything that needs to be said is said by the President.

Question:  What can you tell us about the meetings today in Israel between Russia, Israeli and American officials including National Security Advisor John Bolton? 

Mr. Hook:  That’s really something which I would have to refer you to the White House for.  I know that Ambassador Bolton is there.  I think he was able to tour some areas with Prime Minister Netanyahu today to talk about Israel’s security.  They’ll be talking about Syria and Iran, a range of subjects, but I’m going to defer to them for a specific read-out of the meetings.

Question:  If the purpose of the sanctions is to force Iran to come to the table, we have seen the opposite.  So how can you prod them in a way that will entice them somehow to negotiate a new deal and to stop interference in the Middle East?

Mr. Hook:  If you look at the 40-year history of the regime, in those periods when they do either moderate their behavior or come to the negotiating table, it always follows one or more of three factors.  Economic pressure, diplomatic isolation, or the threat of military force.  That is just how this regime operates.

I remember when the IAEA in 2005 or 2006 referred Iran’s nuclear program to the UN Security Council because they could not confirm that it was for peaceful purposes.  That set into place a multilateral sanctions architecture, some of which still exists today but is scheduled to expire in about 17 months when the arms embargo on Iran is lifted under the Iran Deal.

So I know in the period that then followed the multilateral sanctions, Iran would regularly complain about sanctions and say that they aren’t working.

We know that our sanctions are working.  You could take a look at various reporting, front-page reporting by the New York Times in March and the Washington Post in May.  Extensive stories documenting how Iran’s proxies are hurting for money because Iran does not have the money that it used to because of our sanctions and also because the Iranian regime runs a kleptocracy, and it prioritizes the ideology of the regime over the welfare of their own people.  So the combination of those two things — Iranian economic mismanagement and American sanctions, have created a circumstance where they just don’t have the money that they used to to spend on Hezbollah and Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Shia Militias in Iraq and Syria, the Houthis in Yemen, and so on.

That does not mean that we have eliminated Iran’s ability to conduct asymmetric attacks.  That’s just the nature of modern terrorism.  But we know, it’s been documented, you don’t have to take our word for it, that Iran’s proxies are suffering from financial shortfalls, and so is the regime.

In March they put out their 2019 budget and there was a 29 percent cut in military spending.  The prior year there was a 10 percent cut in defense spending.  So in the time since our sanctions have come into place, we have seen reductions annually of 10 percent and almost 30 percent and that includes a cut in funding to the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps.

During the Iran Nuclear Deal, Iran’s military spending went up every single year and it reached a peak of $14 billion.  So we have weakened Iran’s military spending and also its ability to support its proxies.  Iran is more diplomatically isolated today than it was prior to us leaving the deal.  

So at some point Iran, the decision they face about the negotiating table is they can either start coming to the table or they can watch their economy continue to crumble.  They’re in a recession now.  It is going to get significantly worse.  But this is a choice the regime is making, to behave like an outlaw regime and to prioritize a violent and expansionist revolutionary foreign policy over a peaceful and stable Middle East.

Question:  I just wonder why you think the Iranians should trust a country that changes its mind in the terms of an international agreement ?

Mr. Hook:  It’s disingenuous for the Iranian regime to say that they can’t trust this administration because we left the deal.  They knew what they were getting into when they negotiated a deal with a President who had about a year and a half left in office.  They knew it was a political commitment.  Foreign Minister Zarif has told, I was in a meeting with him when he said that the Iran Nuclear Deal, it has no legal standing, it’s not even — if you notice, it’s called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.  Foreign Minister Zarif pointed out that the word “agreement” appears nowhere in that title because he said we couldn’t agree to call it an agreement.

The United States State Department under President Obama explained to Congress that it has no legal status.  They never submitted it as a treaty.  It also, and this is important to note, it did not enjoy the support of Congress.  This is a deal that never enjoyed the support of the United States Congress when it was passed.  The Iranian regime knew that, they knew what they were getting into by doing this, and they knew there was a possibility, a great possibility that the next President could come in and leave the deal.

But when a deal was negotiated that was very weak and is also temporary, in 17 months, because of this deal, the arms embargo, the UN arms embargo on Iran expires.  The travel ban on Qassem Suleimani expires.  Under the Iran Deal 2231, the prohibition on Iran’s ballistic missile testing was ended and it was replaced with very weak [inaudible] language.

You are going to see more provisions on the military restrictions and the nuclear restrictions start to expire under this deal.  No one can argue that this deal solved the nuclear challenge presented by Iran.  It is a modest and temporary nonproliferation agreement that has no legal status.  Negotiated by a President who’s been out of office for two and a half years.

So this President has, and you look in the context of North Korea, has been able to sit down twice with the North Korean leader.  This is a President who is very willing to sit down with the regime.

I think the question people should be asking is, instead of is there a lack of trust, why Iran continues to reject diplomacy and conduct violent responses to diplomatic pressure?

Question:  What if any official or unofficial contacts have been made between the Trump administration, the State Department and the Mujahideen-e Khalq, the MEK?

Mr. Hook:  Secretary Pompeo and I meet regularly with the Iranian Diaspora, and there are a number of groups around the world who care passionately about the future of Iran.  I think the Iranian people and the Iranian Diaspora very much want a government that represents their interests and not the interests of a corrupt religious elite.

The future of Iran is going to be decided by the Iranian people.  It is not going to be decided by the United States.  So we have been I think zealously neutral with respect to groups who all care very much about the future of Iran, and that’s going to be something which the people of Iran decide for themselves.

Was your question just limited to that, or was it other contacts with the government?

Question:  The U.S. insists on the need to negotiate a nuclear deal with Iran.  What would be the terms of the new deal?

Mr. Hook:  The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is somewhat misleading in its title because it claims to be comprehensive when in fact it is limited to the nuclear program.  It’s silent on ICBMs, it’s silent on regional aggression.  It does, in the preambular paragraph, say that the plan of action will contribute to regional peace and stability.  If only that were the case.  Iran was able to spend the sanctions relief on its proxies and on its military, to strengthen its proxies and to strengthen its military.  So that’s why we argue that the Iran Nuclear Deal has come at the expense of regional stability.  The modest and temporary gains in nonproliferation have come at the expense of missile proliferation and regional aggression, human rights abuses, the arbitrary detention of dual national citizens.

So we are, if you look at Secretary Pompeo’s remarks in May of last year, we made clear that we’re looking for a deal that is truly comprehensive.  It needs to address the spectrum of the trust and peace and security that Iran presents, so that’s the nuclear program, the missile program, Iran’s regional aggression and its arbitrary detention of dual nationals.

It’s my understanding from talking with folks who are involved in the negotiations around the JCPOA from various countries that that was not supposed to be the one and only deal, and that there was a desire to move on to these other topics before there were reasons they weren’t able to get to it.

We very much want to have a deal that covers these areas.  We would submit it to the Senate as a treaty which is something I think that the prior administration should have done but was not able to because it did not have the votes.  And then as Secretary Pompeo said a year ago, if we can reach a comprehensive agreement, the United States is prepared to lift all of our sanctions, restore diplomatic ties that were broken 40 years ago, and to welcome the Iranian people into the international community.  But we need to get to the deal first.

We’re going to continue to talk about the 12 areas.  One of those is no enrichment.  That was another casualty of the Iran deal.  Under international law, the UN Security Council Resolution, Iran was prohibited from enriching and that was another thing that was lifted under the deal.  That itself has weakened arms control in the region.

I’ve heard people argue that the Iran Nuclear Deal helped to avoid an arms race.  Permitting Iran to enrich is itself endangers the nonproliferation regime that everyone has worked so hard to advance in the region.

So those are going to be the areas that we’re looking for if we’re able to talk with the Iranians.

Question:  What is precisely that you want to see from the EU in terms of its stance on JCPOA?  Would you encourage the EU to work alongside the U.S. in devising any prospective new deal with Iran?  And have you discussed this with Federica Mogherini at all?

Mr. Hook:  Ms. Mogherini was in Washington last week and had a good meeting with the Secretary of State.  He also met with her shortly after the attacks in Fujairah when he stopped in Brussels, so we continue to have a regular dialogue with the EU which I guess you’d say is the secretariat of the Iran Deal.

We don’t advise those who are still in the deal on what their position is with regard to the deal.  That’s something which they need to sort of decide in their own sovereign capacity.  We had made it clear that we would expect the INSTEX, the special purpose vehicle that they have, is still not off the ground.  I’m very doubtful that Iran is ever going to be able to put in place the financial transparency measures that would enable this to be able to actually conduct transactions.  But the Secretary has made clear, and we have reason to believe that that would only be used for illicit purposes.  Our sanctions regime has made exceptions for humanitarian purposes for food, for medicine, for agricultural products, medical devices.  So that’s about as much as I can say I think on your question.

Question:  I would like to know if you can give a bit more clarity on what the threshold is for the administration in terms of reacting militarily to Iran?  Is there a red line say short of any attacks on U.S. troops or bases?  You mentioned a couple of times today maritime security and Iran being responsible for the attacks on the ships.  And the President has recently spoken a lot about the main point being stopping Iran’s nuclear program, and they are set to surpass some of those nuclear thresholds, enrichment thresholds on Thursday. So are there any other red lines?  Or can you give us more clarity on the threshold for when the U.S. would decide to use force against Iran?  Thanks.

Mr. Hook:  The President through various statements and interviews with media I think has spoken at length, he’s been very transparent about how he’s viewing the various threats and attacks from Iran.  So I don’t have anything to add beyond what the President has said.  He continues to speak on almost a daily basis about this, so I’m not going to get beyond what he’s said.

Question:  Brian, my question to you is that there was an article in the New York Times on the question of the attacks that they carried out against the drone.  There were claims in that article that some of the actions of the IRGC were actually in response to some comments from U.S. officials like yourself who had said something online of the IRGC missiles and the missiles being a result of photo shops, they were not real and they were photo shopped.  Is there any truth to those allegations?

Mr. Hook:  If you go on-line and Google Iran, Iran photo shop you will find many examples on the internet of Iran over many years, the government doctoring and photo shopping its missile launches.  We have plenty of evidence of that.  It’s all available on-line.  You can take a look at it yourself.  So the video that we had done some time ago was to highlight that Iran often conducts these false flag operations and also engages in an extensive disinformation campaign on a regular basis.  Secretary Pompeo talked about this I think yesterday as he was leaving for his trip to the region, and talked about Iranian disinformation.  It’s almost on a regular basis, how they put out videos that claim to be something that aren’t.  

They claim that the UAV was over their waters, it’s not.  They deny attacks on a regular basis.  They use proxies in order to deny and to conceal their hand from military operations.  They do this with all of their proxies.  They have made great advances in the gray zone over the last ten years to hide their operations. 

This is why I’ve heard a number of people say that they’re very concerned about the current tensions.  Iran runs a steady state of tension in the region, but they do a very good job of hiding it through their proxies.  Whether it’s in Syria or in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain.  There’s a number of places.

People I think will hear about a Houthi attack and they don’t hear the word Iran, so they don’t understand that Iran organized, trains and equips the Houthis to fight much better than they otherwise would. 

And when you hear about a Hezbollah attack, it’s not mentioned that Iran provides Hezbollah with 70 percent of its budget.  

And when you hear about Assad’s war machine and the refugee crisis, it’s not mentioned that Iran has then been able to organize 12,500 soldiers into Syria and they have spent billions and billions of dollars supporting Assad’s war machine. 

What we’re trying to do, being outside of the deal and since this administration has taken office, is to educate the world and to expose the regime for its use of proxy warfare.  So we’re going to be talking on a very regular basis about Iranian surrogates instead of allowing Iran to perpetuate the fiction that there’s a Houthi attack or a Hezbollah attack.  We are calling these Iranian surrogate attacks because that is in fact what they are.  If Iran organizes, trains and equips and provides targeting assistance for an operation and does everything except pull the trigger, they are responsible for that operation.  That was a policy that we put in place, the White House, the President put in place in September.  We do not make a distinction between Iran’s government and the proxies that it supports with lethal assistance and training and funding.

Question: My question is to return to what you said earlier, Mr. Hook, about people having various ideas as to how to take forward the global response that you would like to see on Iran.  Could you just take us through one or two of those ideas that we’re seeing among Europeans and others as to how to do this please?

Mr. Hook:  There are efforts that have been underway here for some time.  There is a multinational force here in the region, the Combined Maritime Force.  I think there’s over 30 countries that are involved in that, and they operate in an area under various task forces that they work on.  Drug smuggling and arms smuggling, protecting commercial navigation.

So there could be efforts that we could enhance.  There also could be new initiatives pulling together a number of nations, allied nations who have equities in freedom of navigation so that we can increase maritime security.

There have been too many attacks.  We had tankers go up in flames here very recently, and we could have had a maritime disaster there.  We could have had extensive loss of human life because of Iran’s reckless provocations here on the water.

So in my conversations here, there’s a lot of interest in finding a new initiative to enhance maritime security.  It’s something which we think needs to be internationalized. 

I was talking earlier in my remarks about how over 60 percent of the oil that goes to Asia goes through the Strait.

I think the G20 will be a good forum for further conversations about this.  Many of those nations who have equities here in freedom of navigation will be present, and Secretary Pompeo will be there, and that will be a good forum to discuss that.  He already has had those discussions.  I’ve had those discussions.  And when we were down at CENTCOM, Secretary Pompeo was down at CENTCOM last week with General McKenzie and General Clark from the southern Command, and we had a number of good discussions about various ways to go about this.  But this is something which does require an international response.

If you look at the attack in Fujairah, I think there were 17 countries that were adversely affected by those attacks.  Whether it’s the, on any given boat you may have as many as eight countries that are involved in that boat from the insurance company, the flagging company, the crew, the captain, a whole range of countries that have equities here.  And so we had those discussions.  We’ll continue to have them.